Deism pages 47-52

28 10 2013

Read pages 47-52 and summarize.  Add any comments you might have about this worldview.

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29 10 2013
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Deism began around the seventeenth century when people started to question their beliefs. Deism believed in the power of reason rather than the power of the God in scripture. Deists hold a number of related views, but not all believe the same thing. Unlike Christians and Muslims, Deists do not have a set scripture to their belief, it’s all their own reasoning. A popular deist belief is moralistic therapeutic deism, which some people, who are devout Christians, believe. God created the universe, but he lets the universe run its course and doesn’t interfere himself. This God is impersonal, not immanent and not triune. Warm deists believe that God has personality and enough of it to worship him. Cold deists disregard these beliefs and say that he is just a force of energy, he is not capable of feelings. God is said to created the universe, but no more than that. No miracles exist.
Since I don’t know what I believe in, deism is a cool concept, but I don’t know if I could actually accept it as my faith.

30 10 2013
5

at first author introduced the deism.he talked about the two factors in the development of deism:1bring unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophical.2a change in the location of the authority of knowledge about the divine. he gave examples and people as proofs of the antiscientific nature of Christian theism.people paied more attention on science. deism sees god as the clockmaker since the universe is seen as a giant clock.
arthor used examples of all kinds of deists to proved that deists were much less united on basic issues than were theists.
question 1 claimed that, to the deist , god is distant.
in question 2 there’re two views about our world. 1 all the things are already written, no miracle. 2we may able to get out of the chain of cause and effect by reorder the clocklike system.

30 10 2013
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Deism developed in the 17-18th century during the Age of Enlightenment. Many new ideas occured this time such as Galileo theory- a sun centered the solar system or Sir Isaac Newton- Universal of gravitation. But the church strongly rejected these theories. People started to challenge the traditional and faith. Deism gained prominence especially in Britain, France, Germany, and in the United States. Some say Deism is an attemp to bring unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophical diccussion.
Next the writer answers 2 basic deism questions
Question 1: What is prime reality ?
God creates everything. God is transcedent but he does not implicates with it. Let it run by its own. God is not immanent, not triune, not our supreme ruler and not our saver. Deist says that God is not a person to be worshiped.
Question 2: what’s the nature of external reality?
God reorders the the system of the universe but he doesn’t care about it. So no miracles or events that reveal any special interests of God are possible. Meanwhile any human being alone or with others would have able to transcend it, get out of the chain of cause and effect.

30 10 2013
1

James W. Sire begins to explain that the fall of Theism was caused by a new worldview called Deism. He goes into further detail about the discovering of Theism and how developed it was. The reason why it became so developed is the thought that the knowers in a sense become what they know. So, if you believed in God or studied God, one would essentially become good and holy. Theology was the study of God. If someone during the Middle Ages were to study something of this world other than a higher power, they would be looked down upon. People who were more focused on the bible and God realized that this is Gods world, and though it is fallen and imperfect… it is worth understanding. Ever since the late seventeenth and eighteenth century, many different people had many different views about Deism. Some were hostile towards Christianity, some believed God created the world and then left it on its own, and some believed in immorality of the soul. Deists were not as unified as the Theists were on important but simple issues. We think of Deism as a system, rather than a functional religion. Sire begins to explain the first Worldview Question, which goes into detail about whether God is transcendent or not. Warm Deism believed God was good all the time and that he was to be worshipped, but cold Deism believed that God created the universe and left it alone. The Deist ultimately believes that God is distant and will always be.

30 10 2013
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Chapter 3 of this book is mainly dedicated to the deism worldview which believes that there is a god somewhere who created the universe but then left it alone, which means he has no control or influence over us. This chapter starts by giving a background on the story of how deism started, explaining how it started after long years of discussions between the Lutherans, Anglicans and many other religions, that caused many people to becoming deist because they were tired of arguing on how we can know God by his revelations to us and through nature. So this chapter of the book explains deism as a system and how it works through the 8 worldview questions.

30 10 2013
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Deism is the belief that reason and observation of nature world are sufficient to determine the existence of a God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Basic start in the 17th and 18th centuries during the age of enlightenment especially in Britain, France, Germany, and in the usa. A transcendent God, as a First Cause, created the universe but then left it to run on its own means in theism this is the most important proposition because it establishes the existence and character of God. The cosmos God created is determined, because it is created as a uniformity of cause and effect in a closed system, no miracle is possible. Human beings, though personal, are a part of the clockwork of the Universe. The cosmos, this world, is understood to be in its normal state; it is not fallen or abnormal. We can know the universe, and we can determine what God is like by studying it. Ethics is limited to general revelation; because the universe is normal, it reveals what is right. History is linear, for the course of the cosmos was determined at creation. to me the human reason was sufficient to know God the way we knows God? God reveals himself to us this the only way people start to understand God but same people try to understand GOD used the nature it make sense of them depends on what the believe

30 10 2013
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Chapter 3 begins by asking the question: if theism lasted so long and it answered all our basic questions, why did anything else come along? Then, the author states that Deism started due to a change in the location of the authority for knowledge about “the divine” and in order to settle religious controversies and arguments. Furthermore, Mr. Sire explains that Deism stopped using Scripture as an authority in theology and allowed only the application of “human” reason.
In the next section, the author digs into basic deism and also mentions their worldview questions. The first question states that a God created the world but he left it to operate on its own. The second question says that miracle is not possible because the world is “created as uniformity of cause and effect in a closed system”. Page 52 ends with the beginning of the third question, which states: “Human beings, though personal, are a part of the clockwork of the universe.”

30 10 2013
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Deism could not jump out if Theism was the only belief. In the Seventeenth century, people had interminable discussion on Deism. Some thought Deism was beyond limits of christianity. The fact was that Deism was developped from Theism. However, it denied that God can be known by revelation. Even deists had different views towards God and was divided into two categories: warm deists and cold diests. In World Question 1, Deism rejects the idea states in theism that God is immanent, triune, sovereign and so on. Because deists believe God made the world but then left it to run on its own. Therefore, God does not care his creation. For World Question 2, somehow, it says the universe is determined by God. The system of universe is like a giant clockwork. We, living in this clockwork, are doing the things God has chosen for us and we can not get out of the chain. Ironically, deists say that God left human and universe run itself. Then, how can human have any ideas about God? In this way, God does have impacts on humans in some ways, which means HE exists in our thoughts and makes us think who and how HE is. Then, he did leave us at all. But the matter is deists do not realize this point.

31 10 2013
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In summary pages 47 – 52 speak of the beliefs of Deists such as John Locke, Benjamin Franklin, and Voltaire. Cold Deists believe that God is not a he or a pronoun but a force. That he created his creation (Us) but does not love or care of us. Basically saying this force created us and left us here to figure it out on our own. Warm Deists admitted to believing in a God, in which he was in fact a “person” with a personality and should be worshiped. Many Deists came from science in which they looked more to it for answers than this “God”.

31 10 2013
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The pages forty seven to fifty two talk about how Deism compares to Theism. Furthermore the pages speak of how Desists believe in science and that even though human beings have their own mind they are still stuck in this predestined functioning world in which things are already set in. In addition whoever or whatever created the world is no longer functioning in it. They simply do not care about us ( the human race, the world, planet etc. ) they created us, then in sense abandoned us. Even then when the view is supposed to be objective you can still see the authors underlying view in which he believes to be correct when on page fifty one he states “Franklin, who confessed, ‘I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That he governs it by his Providence,’ retains enough sense of God’s personality” the last phrase saying that Benjamin Franklin retained enough of God’s sense of personality to acknowledge his existence I believe is ridiculous. One does not need to believe they came from God in order to acknowledge that yes, some people believe there is to be a God that created all of this, and us despite the fact that I may not personally think, that that is true.

31 10 2013
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Basically in chapter 3 it’s about how deism came about. It started in the 17-18 century during the age of enlightement. Many new ideas occur at that time. Deism’s view of god there’s no such thing as special revelation,no miracle, virgin birth all this was included. One of the deistic such as Galileo theory is the sun centered the solar system or sir Isaac Newton-universal of gravitation but for some reason the churches was against this Idea, people started the tradition and faith. Deism gained Prominence especially in the United States and other countries. The united state they were some famous American deists: such as George Washington, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson ete. If you learnt history these are founding father, all them had different view on how they viewed it. Writer answers some of basic deism question? Question 1: what is the prime reality? If god creats everything. God is transcendent but he doesn’t implicates with it. Deists says that god is not aperson to be worshiped. For question 2: what’s nature of external reality, god orders the system of the universe but he doesn’t care about it.so no miracle or events that reveals any special interest of god are possible. Mean while any human being alone or with others would be able to transdent it.

31 10 2013
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when Deism developed, some say, as an attempt to bring unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophical discussion.
Lutheran, Puritan and Anglican divines might well have wished to look again at points of agreement. Deism to some extent is a response to this, though the direction such agreement took put deism rather beyond the limits of traditional Christianity.
The development of deism was a change in the location of the authority for knowledge about the divine. It shifted from the special revelation found in Scripture to the presence of Reason, “the candle of God”, in the human mind or to intuition, “the inner light”.
if people studied animals or plants or minerals (zoology, biology, chemistry and physics), they were lowering themselves.
In Christian theism, God was said to reveal himself in nature. But deism denies that God can be known by revelation, by special acts of God’s self-expression.
Warm deism was said that who believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That he governs it by his Providence.
Cold deism eliminates most features of personality God is said to display. He is only a transcendent force or energy, a Prime Mover of First Cause, a beginning to the otherwise infinite regress of past causes.
The cosmos God created is determined, because it is created as a uniformity of cause and effect in a closed system; no miracle is possible.
Human beings, though personal, are a part of the clockwork of the universe

31 10 2013
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I THINK THE CLOCKWORK UNIVERSE about Physical basis.People put them together view that the universe resembles a clock built by God and ticking along according to Newtonian mechanicsIn other words, Newton believed God is constantly active in the history of salvation (of souls and world), and evolutionary process is one of his prime tools for accomplishing the divine purpose implicit in the creation event itself.Interestingly enough, it was Faraday who first articulated the field concept, and he apparently did so to refute Newton’s sensorium Dei. .

31 10 2013
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( i’m so sorry Mr.Nutter, the first one just a copy from the book that i thought important and i needed to understand. This is my real comment below)

Deism is developed in the seventeenth century as an attempt to resolve the confusion of theological and philosophical discussion during that time. Deism has its own unique views that differentiate it from theism. The main differences are:
-Deism shifts the authority for knowledge from Holy Scripture to Reason.
-According to deism, we should study the world to gain knowledge instead of studying God himself.
-God is seen as the creator of the universe, but does not like nor care about his creation. God lets the universe run on its own and he, by no means, has the power to change it.
There are cold deists and warm deists. Cold deists do not believe in God’s power at all while some of the warm deists still believe in providence and personal God.
Let’s look at how deism answers the world view questions to further understand about it.
-Question 1: What is prime reality – the really real?
To deism, God created the universe but then abandoned it to run on its own. He is only the First Cause with no other relationships to the universe. “God is distant, foreign, and alien”. He is obviously not triune, not immanent, and not fully personal.
-Questions 2: What is the mature of external reality, that is, the world around us?
The world around us is a uniform, closed system that runs based on cause and effect. There is no such thing as miracle.
-Question 3: What is human being?
We, humans, are personal with our own intelligence, morality, creativity, etc. We are part of the clockwork made by God, but by no means having any special relationship with him.
-Question 4: What happens to a person at death?
The warm deists believe in afterlife while the cold deists do not.
-Question 5: Why is it possible to know anything at all?
It is possible through reasoning.
-Question 6: How do we know what is right and what is wrong?
Since the universe is normal without any super power, it will expose what is right.

31 10 2013
landsvw

that’s fine, thanks.

31 10 2013
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If theism lasted so long , what could possibly have happened to undermine it? If it satisfactorily answered all our basic questions, provided a refuge for our future, why did anything else come along? Deism bring unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophy discussion which became bogged down in interminable quarrels over what began to seem even to the disputes like trivial questions. Deism was a change in the location of the authority for knowledge about the divine. As Frederick Copleston explains, deism historically is not really a school of thought. Deism as a system and to state that system in a relatively extreme form, for in that way we will be able to grasp the implications the various “reductions” of theism. In conclusion, deism can make people to have some good ways to think

31 10 2013
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Deism is the belief that God created us but left us alone to deal with the world on our own. Deists consider more of people’s reasoning than looking into the religious world that believes in God. An example is the great John Locke.
Some deists have different beliefs for example warm deists believe in afterlife while cold deists don’t.

31 10 2013
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He starts by asking a question “if theism lasted so long what could possibly happened to undermine it? He goes on to say that deism brings unty oucof chaos of theologcal and philosofical discussion. In the middle of the book he goes to say that its good to have limited knowledge of God because you get to discover more about him everyday. He goes again and refers God to a clock maker and the systemvof the universe as a giant clockwork. Towards the end of the book he says that its best to think of deism as a system and to state that system in a relatively extreme form, for in

31 10 2013
7

In my mind, chapter 3 mainly talks about deism. In my own opinion, desim is natural knowing of god. There are two factors. The first one is bringing unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophical discussion. Second factor in the development of deism was a change in the location of the authority for knowledge about the divine. The example of Galileo Galilei reflects these two points a lot. His example is often cited today as proof of the antiscientific nature of Christian theism. Also, I don’t think deism is a “school” of thought. Deism is based on theists more. God’s words are always true. This is what I believe all the time. The first worldview question tells that god is distant. And the second tells us no miracles or events that reveal any special interests of god are possible. Also, this wuestion also says that people can transcend it.

31 10 2013
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Deism begins in the seventeenth century and developed since then.
In deism, there are two important things. First it is bring unity out of a chaos and, second a change in the location if the authority.
There are two basic questions in deism and they are Q 1: what is prime reality? Is reality real?
Deist tells “God is not a person to be worshiped”
Q 2: what’s nature of external reality?

31 10 2013
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This chapter 3 talks about deism
Which is the belief of the god thag created the universe and leave it with no supernatural revelation
If theism would have lasted long and we could have i undermined it, what could have happened??
The author continues saying that whatever God created was true and no doubt can be made of it.
He also talks about the worldview questions
1) a trandensent God as a first cause,created the universe then left it tp run by its own.
2)the cosmos God created is determined because it is created as a uniformity of cause and effect
3)human beings though personal are part of the clockwork of the universe
Here tells us that deists do not deny that humans are personal.
4)human beings may not have a lofe beyond their physical existence
It talks about the difference between warm deists that are almost related to christian theists and cold deists.
6) ethics is intuitive or limited to general revelation because is normal it reveals what is right
It talks about humans having the abilility of knowing good and evil.

31 10 2013
12

Its kind of crazy to me to even think that God created the world and left it to be because i grew up being taught about how God is caring and loves everyone and this belief would make him look like his the opposite. But if you think about it, its like he created it and is just watching from above and letting people make their own choices. But that doesnt mean that there is no consequence. Sometimes God might put people or things in our way just to help with our decision making but for the most part i think were on our own. God is hoping that we can fo the right thing but he can’t do anything physicaly to stop us or help us in anything and Miracles are an exception. But in my opinion God created the world and didnt leave it alone but let everyone do whatever they want. Wether good or bad

31 10 2013
15

In this chapter we get an overview of Deism.
Basically Deism is the knowing of God and not doubting it. It means to know God as someone who created us, but challenged us by leaving and letting us survive on our own. This believe didn’t take place until the 17th century. During that time people started questioning the existence of God and they started a belief based on their on reasonings and understandings
Deism makes you think. Think about what you believe in, what to live for. To have a deism belief you need to strongly understand what you worldview is, and also you should be sure in it

31 10 2013
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Deism developed ,some day, as an attempt to bring unity out of a chaos of theological and philosophical discussion which in the seventeenth century became bogged down in interminable quarrels over what begin to seem even to the disputants like trivial questions. Another factor in the development of deism was a change in the location of the authority for knowledge about the divine . Since the system of the universe is seen as a giant clock work , God is seen as the clockmaker. As Frederick copleston explain , deism history is not really a school of thought. In the late seventeenth and the eighteenth and the eighteenth century more than a few thinkers came to be called deists or called themselves. Still it is helpful to think of deism as a system and to state that system in a relatively extrem form , for in that way we will be able to grasp the implications the various reduction of theism were beginning to have in the eighteenth century.
Worldview 1 :God is distant
Worldview 2 : First ,no miracles or events that reveal any special interests of God are possible.
Second , to be able to recoded the system ,any human being alone or with other would have to be able to transcend it get out of chain of cause and effect.




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